Kyoto or Afghanistan?

afghanistan.gifIf it’s a choice between having the cash to extend our troops beyond 2009 in Afghanistan and having the cash (as Baird claims) to pay for Kyoto. I pick Kyoto. We have done our part in Bush’s war. If we stay any longer in Afghanistan, it should be as reconstruction and rebuilding only.

Other countries need to step up to the military plate if they feel that’s the best way to continue to help that country. For Afghanistan’s sake, I hope they do not though. It has not worked in Iraq and it will not work for Afghanistan. The CBC reports that for reconstruction alone,

Canada had provided some limited humanitarian aid, usually about $10 million a year, to Afghanistan even prior to 2001. Canada re-established formal diplomatic relations with the new Afghan government on Jan. 25, 2002, and reopened the embassy in Kabul in September 2003.

At a conference on Afghanistan in Tokyo in January 2002, Canada made a major commitment to assist in the reconstruction of the war-torn country. Foreign Affairs says Afghanistan is now “the single largest recipient of Canadian bilateral aid.” So far, according to Foreign Affairs, Canada has allocated a total of $616.5 million to Afghanistan, covering 2001 to 2009.

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18 thoughts on “Kyoto or Afghanistan?

  1. Woman At Mile 0 says:

    Well the fact is we are already committed until 2009 and you can’t go back on your word in these things. But that’s it…they need to get out. We need start ramping other countries up for taking over or Bush can decide that maybe he should get out of Iraq a little faster and replace the troops we take out if that’s what’s important to the Americans. It should be. Iraq was not involved in 9/11.

  2. Paul says:

    Glug glug glug…
    damn that kool-aid must taste good

    Use Bush comparisons and you lose any credibility you might aspire to.

    One would think that women specifically would appreciate the efforts being made in Afghanistan. As a man with a wife, daughter, mother, sister and many other important females in my life I know I do.

    Or I guess we could just spend our hard-earned tax dollars on a Ponzi scheme. A scheme whereby we give our money to other countries and receive a guilt credit in return. But it’s okay even if we have to continue to choke on our own pollution.

  3. Woman At Mile 0 says:

    In your dreams it’s not related. Bush is a liar and a war criminal. We are backing him up in Iraq on the waterways. And don’t give me that women’s lib crap. That has nothing to do with the reason we are there. Only a completely ignorant person would believe the two are not totally related.

  4. candu says:

    The women will never be free; the tribal society does not allow that. The males are not free either; the tribe takes precedence over individuals. We are there as an arm of the US military and the locals hate us as much as they hate the Americans. We are killing theie people, the Taliban are the LOCALS. Part of the Pashtun tribes. You cannot get rid of them, without mass genocide. Nobody wins in Afghanistan and it is an exercise in utter folly. A very expensive one at that. All Canadians should support the troops by bringing them home.

  5. Arabian Knight says:

    Ok, I will ask you what I`ve asked every single Lefty in the blogsphere:

    What do you have against the Afghan people?

    “That has nothing to do with the reason we are there. Only a completely ignorant person would believe the two are not totally related.”

    Well let`s see here, were fighting a militaristic group whom would benefit from our withdrawal to take over and establish their own twisted logic of Islamic rule. Such as, public execution for wommen who commit the mistake of reading, or men who refuse to grow a beard.

    That regime is also responsible for harboring and supporting an organization that is responsible for the 9/11 attacks and many other incidents around the world.

    But according to your logic, fighting those people is bad.

    I don`t want to engadge in a tit for tat here, I`m sure you believe those the abuses by the Taliban are tragic, and horrible. There`s no doubt in my mind that you do. But I do find it interesting that all you see in this matter is “Bush, Bush and Bush”. Which leads me to believe your not actually thinking through this properly.

    Your letting your emotions and hatred for one man, dictate your political decisions. And that`s what bothers me about people of your ideology.

    Your priority in making sure a man you detest political (and personally perhaps) get in the better judgement. Now this tells me alot about the value of human life you place on the third world: It doesn`t come near the fetish you have in seeing your political foes suffer.

    And don`t give me this “That`s not why we are there!” bs, ywhat? are you really going to try to convince me that your opposition on the Afghan war is purely based on a strtegic technicality? Give me a break.

  6. Woman At Mile 0 says:

    Nothing against the Afghan people. I would say a good majority of them don’t want us there. Can you blame them? If it was peacekeeping, and they wanted us…maybe..but its not..stop trying to pretend that it is.

  7. Woman At Mile 0 says:

    And I think you need to think it through a little better because if you can’t see the connections between our being in Afghanistan and Iraq and Bush then your just picking and choosing what you believe in. I choose not to close my eyes and follow neo con spin blindly.

  8. Arabian Knight says:

    “Nothing against the Afghan people. I would say a good majority of them don’t want us there. Can you blame them?”

    Jesus what is it with you guys and the (alleged) telepathy you claim have with people in third world countries? Where in god`s green earth did you get the source that most of them want us out?

    If anything all the sources I`ve been reading (which btw are ALL middle eastern) points to the fact that the Afghans want us to do MORE! To protect them from both the Taliban and the corruption of their own tribal leaders and government officials.

    “And I think you need to think it through a little better because if you can’t see the connections between our being in Afghanistan and Iraq and Bush then your just picking and choosing what you believe in.”

    Thank you for validating my point that all this talk of pulling out of Afghanistan is just a way for you to punish Bush with no regard for the Afghan civilians. I don`t get it, you were probably among those who screamed from the rooftops when Harper cut funding SoW, yet we fight people who execute wommen publicly for exercising a fraction of the right you enjoy, and yet you begin to scream BUSH BUSH BUSH.

    SO I ask again, what is it do you have against the Afghan people?

  9. Woman At Mile 0 says:

    Afghan civilians are increasingly turning against Canadian troops and their country’s government and toward support of the Taliban, according to a large-scale survey conducted in southern Afghanistan this month.

    and

    The poll indicates that persistent poverty and a growing disillusionment with NATO forces are pushing Afghans into the arms of the Taliban”.
    March 2007

    and

    A recent poll found that 60 percent of Afghans said that the US-backed government is more corrupt than the Taliban. Taliban are tying to take the advantage of the situation and saying that under their rule there was no corruption and rule was equal for all.

    You’re reading what you want to read about our role in that war and ignoring the facts. Suit yourself. I choose to read the whole story, not just the Bush/Harper half.

  10. Woman At Mile 0 says:

    It is not our responsibility to change their society so that men will respect women. That is their responsibility and its their culture. You cannot make people adopt our values at the tip of a gun…though you appear to choose to believe that. Go ahead. Your never going to see it anyway but your way anyways.

  11. Arabian Knight says:

    From your own sources:

    “Both organizations have said the military component of the mission, while critical, is falling behind because of inadequate humanitarian efforts.”

    Basically were not doing enough. All the sources you cited is criticism at the lack of intervention rather than the perceived excessive one.

    Not to mention that fact that Al-Jazeera holds interviews with many Afghans day in and day out and almost unanimously claim Western troops leaving Afghanistan is disastrous.

    “You’re reading what you want to read about our role in that war and ignoring the facts. Suit yourself.”

    You tried to proove your point by refering two sources which fundamentally goes against your theory, and I`m the one who`s “ignoring the facts?”

    “It is not our responsibility to change their society so that men will respect women.”

    Yeah, to hell with the Afghan women, children, minorities and the thousands of innocent lives these bastards terrorize day in and day out which helps to compliment the militaristic, Imperial religious troops who want the rest of the non-believers dead.

    Its funny, I always thought murder, genocide and religious persecution were universally frowned upon and had nothing to do with ANY culture.

    “You cannot make people adopt our values at the tip of a gun…”

    Sorry but it worked VERY well in Japan in the 50`s. And I believe helping a society reject cold blooded murder and persecution is a fine value to fight against with the tip of the gun.

  12. Woman At Mile 0 says:

    Again you only read what you want to read. Why bother? We have done our part. It’s not our country. It’s time for us to give notice and for the troops to come home. If we stay it should be as reconstruction only. And by your reasoning we should be in half the countries of Africa and we’re not.

  13. Woman At Mile 0 says:

    There will never be enough intervention for Afghanistan. I am sure the Russians rationalized it to no end before they realized the same thing. If Afghanistan is so important then those war loving Bushlites can bring their troops out of Iraq to reinforce. Our troops holding Afghanistan for the US just means more troops the US can spare to conduct an illegal war in Iraq.

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